A Convenient Place

If finally occurred to me that maybe I should provide a convenient place for people to leave comments that don’t readily relate to posts on this blog, but rather, for example, relate to things I’ve written as comments elsewhere.  It also provides a place for comments even more tenuously related to anything I’ve ever written anywhere.

I feel as if I’ve belatedly offered a guest a chair — my apologies.  And thanks for stopping by.

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16 Responses to “A Convenient Place”

  1. Rem Bohleber Says:

    Just a quick note, Ms. Moses, to say I admired all the wisdom packed into your concise comment (11/5/13) on Critchley’s NYT essay on the Phaedrus.

    • Diana Moses Says:

      Thank you. I guess I think there’s a lot of insight in Plato that is passed over in favor of focusing on his more intellectual arguments, and that reading him as a mystic is kind of like adding water and reconstituting something precious.

      • Matthew Brooks Says:

        What did you mean by “too much fame and the boat (always) tips over”?

        “Meeting people where they are and then helping them — encouraging, coaching — to progress, prompting them to delve into and within themselves to access what is there but usually ignored or not perceived, is a huge talent, gift, and service. Too much explanation destroys the intended effect of getting the person to experience both a new process and its results. Too little fame and you don’t reach many people and may become impatient, too much fame and the boat (always) tips over.”

      • Diana Moses Says:

        Socrates, Jesus, the Buddha.

  2. Matthew Brooks Says:

    Unclear still; who or what is the boat? The man? The teaching? What causes it to tip over? What remains?

    • Diana Moses Says:

      The steady state that allows for continued understanding and dissemination ends, and ends unpleasantly, is what I had in mind. What remains are the teachings, which is all there really is anyway, the person is just the conduit, and when they get in the way too much, the process falls apart, I think.

      • Matthew Brooks Says:

        Your description of the process may be accurate, but fame is as much (or more) symptom of having reached the extent of one’s effectiveness as it is the cause thereof.

        A local process falls apart? That’s life. What goes up comes down. The sun rises and sets and rises again. Life goes on.

        The teaching is also just a conduit, for natural harmony/natural law (aligning ourselves). “Necessity is the mother of invention”; the invention of thought is no exception.

        “Nature never appeals to intelligence until habit and instinct are useless. There is no intelligence where there is no need of change.”

        “When…movement follows the law of heaven, man is innocent and without guile. His mind is natural and true, unshadowed by reflection or ulterior designs. For wherever conscious purpose is to be seen, there the truth and innocence of nature have been lost. Nature that is not directed by the spirit is not true but degenerate nature. ”

        “Tao called tao is not tao”

        And yet, both the I Ching and Tao te Ching were consciously written.

        Teaching and reflection don’t preclude innocence/honesty as long as the latter guides/”directs” the former (Einstein’s intuition/empathy guiding logic).

        To that end, nuclear weaponry (and beyond) in good hands was/is better than the alternative. Where we go from here is hard to say. Maybe this great ship will sink soon too. Einstein thought so (see ww3/ww4 quote).

        In any case, “Tao endures”.

      • Diana Moses Says:

        Once we talk about it it changes, but we talk about it anyway?

        I was thinking about the children’s game called “Operation,” in which the buzzer sounds if the instrument touches the sides of the opening while the player is trying to extract the object. I sometimes think when we receive certain kinds of energy or understanding, if we can’t get ourselves out of the way and let it pass through us, then we get burned.

        I like very much your idea that “fame is as much (or more) symptom of having reached the end of one’s effectiveness as it is the cause thereof.”

        I am also getting a kick out of the fact that my carpenter came earlier this morning (to drop off some ladders and other equipment) and says he’ll be back later this morning (to begin the work). He has his son with him, too.

  3. Matthew Brooks Says:

    Then again, maybe fame is sometimes only (relatively?) incidental.

    Maybe certain men guided by the spirit are relatively immune to the prejudices (even positive) of the madding crowd.

    For Jesus, Socrates, MLK, Caesar, etc., the end of their discrete lives (and with them, their egos) actually increased their fame and their effectiveness. “To whom much is given, much is expected”. Maybe they knew this and were willing anyway; at any rate, to Buddha what is death but a door to Nirvana?

    Is the carpenter and son visit a reference to Jesus? It might actually be Jesus (if they’re Mexican).

  4. Matthew Brooks Says:

    Does the carpenter have something to do with the rest of the discussion?

    • Diana Moses Says:

      Well, yes and no. It was an allusion to Jesus and second comings (as in, “in my life, these heady issues play out in concrete, mundane ways”), but actually, I see a metaphor that’s a little less of a stretch: when Joe worked on the house in 2000-2001, he took off the aluminum siding and restored the clapboards and shingles. The project also revealed windows that had been boarded over and sheetrocked over, and he re-cut the apertures. (We also covered over a skylight when re-roofed at the same time.) I kind of felt that the house could sort of breathe again — it has a lot of insulation, the previous owners sealed off windows with plastic, etc., and put in some vinyl replacement windows — the house just felt very tight. After the work, it felt better to me. There’s a metaphor there, I think, about openness and opening up of the human sort.

  5. Matthew Brooks Says:

    Did you know that in China what we call “black” tea, they call “red” tea? Green tea is still green tea.

    It reminds me of stoplights and raisins. Who would rather eat a raisin than a grape?

    Anyway, I’ve switched (back) to green tea; this (for now) to be exact;

    http://www.mightyleaf.com/loose-tea_green-tea/organic-dragonwell-loose-green-tea/

    Tho I made it too strong again.

    Mighty Leaf also has some really tasty French verbena;

    http://www.mightyleaf.com/loose-tea_herbal-tea/verbena-herbal-tea/

    I was doing some research on Dragon Well tea and I came upon this;

    There’s something majestic about natural rock converted into sculpture before a water feature (a spring, no less!).

    Or this;

    God bless the Swiss;

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-10893835

    • Diana Moses Says:

      I noticed that the clip on the river ended without the dog going in.

      I drink (what we call) black tea, in part for the caffeine, since I don’t drink coffee. Right now I’m drinking it for the warmth — it’s something like 47 degrees here today, May 28th.

      • Matthew Brooks Says:

        It was a smart dog. 2m/sec is pretty quick, and he doesn’t have the thumbs to pull himself to safety.

        Green tea has caffeine too; ~ half that of black.

        47 is pretty cool for May. It will warm up soon enough tho. I have family on the Upper East Coast (PA/MA/NH/ME). It’s beautiful in summer.


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